新手遇到紧急的客户,总是容易被客户带节奏。
有一个清晰的策略,可以让自己的准备工作有条不紊,并达成自己的目标。
这里是一个对新手来说非常有学习价值的案例。
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项目描述
有个问题,有个upwork客户回我了,但是我不确定那个东西能不能做,因为客户说了一大堆,有很多细节我需要确定。那我是直接文字问他,还是约个电话?但是我又担心约了电话,沟通下来发现我做不了。。他这个比较紧急,又担心现在外包出去质量不行
项目名称:Video Editing Animation
https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~0124b2fc1c31ba46ca
项目简述:做一个2D动画视频,客户提供了参考视频和大概需要的效果。投标人数只有5-10人,面试了7人,虽然标注了是急单,但是现在还在面试。我觉得这个客户目前需求给的不是特别明确,需要进一步确认。
客户特点:美国人,50%的雇佣率,但是平均费率只有6.56,好低
interview的文字信息如下:
Hey there! Let me tell you more about the project and let’s figure out if you’re a good fit!
I am looking for an animation to showcase exploration of a train from the 1st car to the 17th car (there are 17 carriages on the train with different usages). To show the undiscovered parts of the train we will keep these in a grey color and every time we explore a part of the train we will turn this car progressively to green to show that we’ve discovered it. At the same time a cut out head of ours will move through the train. To understand what I mean, I am attaching a video of an animation we used when doing the same thing, but on a plane. Also below is some further information:
1. The train is 17 cars long
2. There are 8 of these car’s you will have to make little drawings of custom things
3. The 1st section is the 1st car in the train and its our room car
4. The 2nd section is the 2nd car and is a lounge car that you can sit and have tea
5. The third car is the 1st dining car (there are 2 cars that are dining related)
6. Then we skip to the end of the train to the observation car which has an outdoor section connected to the end of the train
7. Then we go back to the 2nd dining car (which is the 4th car in the train)
8. Later we will explore 2 other cars with similar layouts to the lounge car
I want this train to feel like we are exploring a massive area, not just a train, but like a hotel resort on a train.
Let me know if this is clear and to understand if we can work together please tell me the amount of hours this will take (its an urgent task) and a fixed rate as your proposal (we don’t work hourly), thank you!
当前困难:
1,报价问题:我报的是25美金小时,跟他的平均费率6.56相差甚远,但是鉴于面试了这么多人还没hire。我猜要么是面试的人技术不够,没办法完成他的要求,要么价格没谈拢,嫌他给的少。
他找我聊的最后一句话是这样的:Let me know if this is clear and to understand if we can work together please tell me the amount of hours this will take (its an urgent task) and a fixed rate as your proposal (we don’t work hourly), thank you!
可是他job posting里面的信息给的是hourly paid,不知道他什么意思。那我还是坚守我的25美金小时吗?2D动画就算再简单也不可能低到6.56美金小时,具体按小时还是按固定费用暂不确定,因为他的工作难度不确定,有细节问题需要确定,细节不确定,复杂程度就无法确定,固定费率和小时费率都无法确定。
2,想约个电话沟通,这样可能成功率更高。
沟通内容:目标、范围、预算
目标:
你的挑战、痛点、困难是什么?
现在的状况是什么?
你要实现什么结果?比如,是否需要和参考视频的效果一样?还是说需要添加一些额外的细节内容?
怎么样衡量你的目标实现?
范围:
你想让我做什么?比如,你第二条说需要我make little drawings of custom things,具体指哪些东西?有没有参考图片?
预算:你的预算是多少?这个项目很紧急,你需要我大概多少小时内完成?
超哥点评
起步期的小时费率逻辑
项目名称:Video Editing Animation
https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~0124b2fc1c31ba46ca
项目简述:做一个2D动画视频,客户提供了参考视频和大概需要的效果。投标人数只有5-10人,面试了7人,虽然标注了是急单,但是现在还在面试。我觉得这个客户目前需求给的不是特别明确,需要进一步确认。
客户特点:美国人,50%的雇佣率,但是平均费率只有6.56,好低
平均费率只有6.56,这就是危险信号。
如果你要接25美金的起步小时费率单子,这样的单子成功率就很低。
如果为了接单积累经验,比较好的策略,是谈判的时候改成为固定费率单子,或者承诺用较短的时间完成(但坚持你的费率)。
但这种单子的好处是,很多高手不会来竞争。
This is a project that must be done today, so only apply if you are ready to work today and can do this asap. We are looking for someone to make a video animation of a 17 different car long train. To give some context this is for a video that is doing a tour of going through the entire train. The train will first appear in all grey (as we have not explored any part of the plane), but then continuously becoming green as we explore the different sections.
In the plane there are 17 different train cars with all different layouts. Each time we explore a car of the train it will turn from grey to green. To show the progression of grey to green I there will be a cut out head moving into each section.
I've attached an example we did for an airplane video to display what we mean. During this animation we showed ourselves exploring the entire airplane from the 1st floor to the 2nd floor and 7 separate sections. Every floor started in grey and as we explored the ship the heads and elevator moved to each section turning it to green. The only difference with the train is obviously it will be a train on train tracks, and its only 1 floor, with 17 different cars, aka sections
This is a project that must be done today, so only apply if you are ready to work today and can do this asap. Thank you!
虽然有例外,但典型的糟糕客户往往都是非常着急的。
当然,这也是愿意接单的新手最大的优势。
是的你可以今天干活,今天搞定。
但是,今天搞定?这个压力确实是很大的,尤其是你如果不是自己搞,临时外包?如果没有固定的合作伙伴,我不会建议你接这么着急的单子(如果真的这么着急)。
何况很多这种设计、编辑的单子不太可能一次搞定,还需要沟通的时间。
能提出这样要求的客户一般都不知道自己在干什么。虽然这个客户已经在Upwork十年了,也只花了1万多美金,他可以是你学习练手的客户。
interview的文字信息如下:
Hey there! Let me tell you more about the project and let’s figure out if you’re a good fit!
I am looking for an animation to showcase exploration of a train from the 1st car to the 17th car (there are 17 carriages on the train with different usages). To show the undiscovered parts of the train we will keep these in a grey color and every time we explore a part of the train we will turn this car progressively to green to show that we’ve discovered it. At the same time a cut out head of ours will move through the train. To understand what I mean, I am attaching a video of an animation we used when doing the same thing, but on a plane. Also below is some further information:
1. The train is 17 cars long
2. There are 8 of these car’s you will have to make little drawings of custom things
3. The 1st section is the 1st car in the train and its our room car
4. The 2nd section is the 2nd car and is a lounge car that you can sit and have tea
5. The third car is the 1st dining car (there are 2 cars that are dining related)
6. Then we skip to the end of the train to the observation car which has an outdoor section connected to the end of the train
7. Then we go back to the 2nd dining car (which is the 4th car in the train)
8. Later we will explore 2 other cars with similar layouts to the lounge car
I want this train to feel like we are exploring a massive area, not just a train, but like a hotel resort on a train.
Let me know if this is clear and to understand if we can work together please tell me the amount of hours this will take (its an urgent task) and a fixed rate as your proposal (we don’t work hourly), thank you!
Activity on this job
Proposals: 5 to 10
Last viewed by client: 2 hours ago
Interviewing: 7
Invites sent: 12
Unanswered invites: 4
当前困难:
1,报价问题:我报的是25美金小时,跟他的平均费率6.56相差甚远,但是鉴于面试了这么多人还没hire。我猜要么是面试的人技术不够,没办法完成他的要求,要么价格没谈拢,嫌他给的少。
他找我聊的最后一句话是这样的:Let me know if this is clear and to understand if we can work together please tell me the amount of hours this will take (its an urgent task) and a fixed rate as your proposal (we don’t work hourly), thank you!
可是他job posting里面的信息给的是hourly paid,不知道他什么意思。那我还是坚守我的25美金小时吗?2D动画就算再简单也不可能低到6.56美金小时,具体按小时还是按固定费用暂不确定,因为他的工作难度不确定,有细节问题需要确定,细节不确定,复杂程度就无法确定,固定费率和小时费率都无法确定。
没错,很多时候,客户找不到理想的对象,就会调整自己的要求。
他再三说明今天不能做就不要申请了,就变成了一句空话。
可是他job posting里面的信息给的是hourly paid,不知道他什么意思。那我还是坚守我的25美金小时吗?2D动画就算再简单也不可能低到6.56美金小时,具体按小时还是按固定费用暂不确定,因为他的工作难度不确定,有细节问题需要确定,细节不确定,复杂程度就无法确定,固定费率和小时费率都无法确定。
小时费率的上涨逻辑
优质的小时费率项目,是长期项目的前提。
然而在刚起步的时候,很难有优质的小时费率项目,要么费率低,我不建议接。
要么费率看起来高,但是时间很短。
我推荐的策略,是一开始接小单,尽可能接小时费率的单子。通过这样积累的单子,逐步构建你Profile高价值的形象。
简单来说,如果你希望有50美金/小时的费率,你需要有证明你有这个价值,那么,你需要接到50美金/小时单价的小项目。
但你是新人,接不到这么高费率的呀,怎么办?那你先从接40美金/小时开始,40美金/小时也不行?那就再低一点。
一般来说,我会建议新人从15-25美金/小时起步。接到单子以后,逐步上升你的费率。这是我们的基本费率逻辑。
面试沟通准备
这个单申请怎么搞
小时费率业务是Upwork的立足之本,它把时间劳务市场的概念诠释的淋漓尽致了。
你要学会按照我们的逻辑去出售时间。而不是一开始就卖固定项目。
一开始的目的不是赚钱,所以其实赚多少钱无所谓。
我一般会建议一开始用相对较高的费率接单。你可以用较少的时间承诺,把单子拿下,不去计较得失。
事实上,25美金/小时,你承诺2小时,也比5美金/小时,你计费10个小时,要好得多得多得多。
坚持25美金/小时是为了你的Profile。
本质上来讲,他雇佣一个25美金/小时,但是承诺时间少的人,会比雇佣一个5美金/小时,浪费自己时间的人,感觉上要好很多。
你选哪一个?
具体按小时还是按固定费用暂不确定,因为他的工作难度不确定,有细节问题需要确定,细节不确定,复杂程度就无法确定,固定费率和小时费率都无法确定。
任何短期项目按照小时费率的,其实本质上都和固定费率单子差不多,你需要预估一个大概的时间。
新手的问题,就是往往有不准确的预估。而且因为并不专业,本身做事情的效率是很低的。你不能把自己所有的时间都让客户付费。
这就是计费小时费率,和小时价值的区别。
你需要和客户确认基本的目标、范围和预算,然后敲定单子。
是的,难度不确定,细节需要确定,这些都需要沟通。这也是初期谈判的核心。
2,想约个电话沟通,这样可能成功率更高。
沟通内容:目标、范围、预算
约电话一定是更好的选择。
但因为缺乏经验,你回旋的余地会更少。
所以需要有更多的准备,但这样的练习多几次,提升会非常快。
目标:
你的挑战、痛点、困难是什么?
现在的状况是什么?
你要实现什么结果?比如,是否需要和参考视频的效果一样?还是说需要添加一些额外的细节内容?
怎么样衡量你的目标实现?
杀鸡不用杀牛刀。客户只是让你编辑一个视频,不要用“挑战、痛点“这样的大词。
如果你去菜市场买只鸡,你会问的,是什么品种好,什么样的好吃,一斤多少钱,是不是土鸡。。。
小贩可能问你谁吃?要吃多少?今天吃还是明天吃?
如果他问你买这只鸡有什么“挑战和痛点“,就会显得很奇怪。尽可能把语言组织成接地气的话,常人能听懂的话,其实也不需要非常专业,因为客户绝大多数也是普通人。
范围:
你想让我做什么?比如,你第二条说需要我make little drawings of custom things,具体指哪些东西?有没有参考图片?
事实上客户已经写了很清楚的要求。
如果你不是自己做,决定找你的合作伙伴做,我建议你一定要和合伙人(外包的人)问清楚有哪些问题,需要多长时间。
预算:你的预算是多少?这个项目很紧急,你需要我大概多少小时内完成?
你可以和客户预估一个时间(一个让对方满意的时间),也需要明确一个截止期(越长越好)。
比如:客户希望2小时内做完,(25美金/小时),你外包的人可能需要3-4小时,加上你来回沟通的时间可能要7-8小时,你报8小时可以么?可以,但失败率极高。你如果报2-3小时,就基本能成功了。